Appalachia Through My Eyes - Puddin Tame

I've told you before-I was backwards as a child. Actually, sometimes I still am.

The other day I remembered an old saying I heard often when I was little-but haven't heard in years. When I was hiding behind Granny's dress or hanging on one of Pap's britchey legs, someone would say to me: "Whats your name? Puddin Tame ask me again and I'll tell you the same." I believe I was supposed to answer the reply to the question-but I guess the asker took one look at my big brown eyes and knew I wasn't going to say anything.

Have you ever heard the old saying?

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Tonight-August 9th at 7:00pm a very special presentation will be held at the Jackson County Genealogical Society, which is housed in the Old Jackson County Courthouse in Sylva, NC. Don Casada and Wendy Myers will be hosting the program: Hiking to and examining old home places in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. You can check out the Jackson County Genealogical Society for more details about the presentation-and you can go here to read about one of the wonderful individuals Don and Wendy met through their on going project. If you make it out to see them-tell them I sent you!

Tipper

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Comments

[Luann]

Hadn't heard this in years and really enjoyed everyone's comments--Elithea, Ed, Miss Cindy and more. Always enjoy your posts and learn a lot, too!

[Lonnie]

We've said it all our lives--got it from Mother, of course. And...what Miss Cindy said...just copy and paste her second paragraph!

[elithea]

"I think "pudding time" is apt. It is probably old enough (1546, OED), it
was not narrowly limited in dialect AFAIK, and it makes a good-enough joke,
the sense presumably "No need for my name, just call out 'pudding time'
[i.e., 'time to eat'] and I'll appear." Cf. the 20th-century [and probably
earlier?] joke: "You can call me anything, as long as you don't call me
late for dinner." However, I would like the rhyme to be maintained. Was
"time" pronounced to rhyme or nearly rhyme with "name" in ca.-1500 England,
perhaps? Or could it be regional?..."

i'm thinking scotland...

[elithea]

"In fact "pudding tame" and variants (pudding/puddin' [and] tame/tane/tang)
are used today with the sense "I won't tell you my name" (e.g., often as a
'handle' or pen-name on the Internet, = "Anonymous"). The expression was
used in the "X-files" TV program in 1999.

The rhyme appeared in the US by 1895, when it was cited in "Dialect Notes".
Already we're out of the "poontang" milieu, I think; but in case there's
any doubt, I find quoted from 1861 a version supposedly from ca. 1825
(apparently from Sussex?):

What's yer naüm?
Pudding and taüm.

Back a little further (ca. 1590), I find reason to believe there was
approximately:

[What is your name?]
Pudding of Thame.

Now at least the expression has some surface sense, maybe. Thame is a
place-name -- in particular a town in Oxfordshire, I believe. So "pudding
of Thame" might have been the name of a food, perhaps similar (or at least
analogous) to Oxford sausage, say. Still the expression is meaningless in
the context, and I wonder whether (1) it might even earlier have been
something else ("pudding at home"? "Pudding Tom"? "pudding time"?) which
maintained the rhyme in some early or regional pronunciation, and whether
(2) there is some recognizable double-entendre or other joke here in 16th-century (or earlier) English."

[quinn]

What's your name?
PuddinTane!
Where do you live?
In a sieve!
What's your number?
Cucumber!

I learned it as a rhyme for jumping rope and clapping games and such. Really answering like that would have been very fresh...and probably not something I'd have tried a second time!

[Sallie Covolo]

Hi Tipper, You were a beautiful child and a beautiful lady. I remembered the Pudding and tame poem when you mentioned it. I have not heard that in all my adult years..Have a wonderful week. I enjoy your blog so very much. I am copying your recipe for the hush puppies you had a few days ago..

[Suzi Phillips]

Oh, Tipper, thank you so much for reviving a long forgotten childhood memory. My dad used to say it when I was little. Sure do wish I could remind him.

[Carol Killian]

I have not heard the expression since I was a child (many years ago). You were a beautiful child. Also, I was so timid I would hide behind Mother's coat.

[Charlotte]

Yes, I am familiar with the saying, but hadn't heard it in years.

What a sweet picture! Love the little doll bed!

[Charline]

Yes, I heard that all my life, mostly from my mother. She also said the "John Brown' one and the cucumber, etc. Sometimes, she still does! I never sensed that any adult expected to be answered "Puddin' 'n Tame"- or, 'tane', but probably would have been in stitches (oh-so-cute) if we had.I always thought it was an old playground rhyme.
It seems that some among us bloggers have varying definitions of 'backwards'. Some use it for being shy. It doesn't always mean 'unenlightened'-or worse- as some take it. Again, a regional or familial definition.
How I love Jackson County- really wish I could go tonight!
Sweltering in FL.

[Mike McLain]

I heard the phrase many times growing. Sorry I will miss Don and Wendy's presentation. I am a member of Jackson County Genealogical Society, but from FAR away. One of these days...

[Penny]

I grew up with it: Puddin 'n tame! Never questioned where it came from or what it meant. It was just another funny thing my father played with us. He always thought he was so funny and would repeat the same corny things over and over--like someone going south on a truck load of p'taytas, or "who dat say who dat when I say who dat!?" or some other little ditty like the man from hoo-doo.

[sarahsbookreflections]

"Puddin' Tane" was the way we said it in Maryland, always with a sassy tone. Speaking of words, I think Tipper's meaning for "backward" is shy. For me, it means mentally challenged, which doesn't fit Tipper at all.

[Stephen Ammons]

Tipper
As a child I heard the puddin tame saying many times. Never really thought about it's origin until now.Sense it is just a boring day I decided to try to figure out where it came from and did find a little info on it. It started as a short story called "The King of Boyville" from the book, The Real Issue By William Allen White in 1896.

"When a new boy, who didn't belong to the school, came up at recess to play, Piggy shuffled over to him and asked him gruffly: "What's your name?" "Puddin' 'n' tame, ast me agin an' I'll tell you the same," said the new boy, and then there was a fight"

As far as you being backward I would have to ask if the word was used as a adjective or adverb which could have a great affect on the meaning. As an adjective one of the definitions being reluctant or shy. I think this can be considered when you were talking about the stranger walking to meet you husband and you hesitated to approach. This could have also been that sense you had one of the twins with you that you were being protective. Sounds more to me that you are a good mother and just a little shy. Sorry about trying to write a book. :)

[Bradley]

Whoa! What a picture! Wonder if Granny saved that little doll or maybe those little brown shoes? Can't believe you were backward but, ain't that they said about Albert Einstein?

Used to have a little friend when I was little that would always say that Pudin Tane thing.

Wish I could have had several little girls like the one in the Photo!

[kat]

Oh my, haven't thought of puddin tane in many years.

[Wanda]

Puddin Tane for us. You were a sweet little girl!!

[Ken]

Tipper,
Nice picture and I agree totally
with Miss Cindy about our
Appalachian Champion. When my
mama's mama came to visit, she'd
do the puddin' tame thing with us
too, then bend over and gently
pinch my pudgy little cheeks. I
could get a closer look at her big
ball of hair wadded up on the back
of her head. At bedtime she'd let
it down and could rival Crystal
Gale's long hair...Ken

[Dale Anderson]

My mother used the rhyme when my sister and I were toddlers.

[Sue Crane]

oh yes! many times. Did you ever get asked "Railroad crossing - look out for cars. Can you spell that without any "R's?" I'm not telling how old I was before I figured it out!

[Tim Hassell]

Good morning to all. I do remember that saying, probably only from the school yard as a teasing retort to another child. That kind of response to an adult would not have been tolerated by either of my parents, they were very strict about respecting your elders. When I was little people would ask what's your name, if I was to shy to answer they would say "Oh I bet the cat's got your tongue." or " What's the matter has the cat got your tongue?"

[JOHNIE T. ARANT]

TIPPER
I HAVE THAT AND I HAVE SAID
IT MANY TIMES AS A CHILD BUT I
HAVEN'T HEARD IT IN YEARS.
TIPPER I DON'T THINK THAT YOU
ARE BACKWARD YOU WRITE BEAUTIFUL
THINGS I HOPE YOU WILL CONTINUE
SENDING THEM TO ME I ENJOY READING
THEM.
JOHNIE IN ARKANSAS

[Judith]

Hello All,My mother (almost 80) said that her mother always said that to them when they were little. I remember my grandmother and my momma saying it to us as well . Momma couldn't remember any thing else that was said with the statement you gave. Thanks for the reminder I can use it to tickle my grandkids. Judith

[Jim Casada]

Tipper--I remember that and other somewhat similar "sayings" or "ways." For example, when someone in the family said "Hey" (not in the sense of hello but as a means of getting attention or admonition), a frequent response was: "You better save your hey (hay); you might marry a mule.

Jim Casada

[Celia Miles]

I heard it often way back then, but it was puddin' and (or a)tane. celia

[Jen]

Sounds familiar, but I think I am remembering it the way Laura Williams is..Pudding Tang.Wonder where it came from.

[Bob Aufdemberge]

Heard it a lot as a kid, not so much lately. There was another, even less polite version: What's your name? John Brown. Ask me again and I'll knock you down.

[Uncle Al]

Oh yes, heard it a lot growing up. Haven't heard it in quite while though. Thanks again reviving old memories!

[Shirla]

I have always said Puddin Tang, not Tame. I had an uncle that used to say, "has the cat got your tongue?", when we wouldn't answer a question.
That little Chitter-Chatter look alike in the picture is too cute to be backward!

[Bob Adcock]

Down in "wiregrass country" it was common. Also, the esteemed Barney Fife used it in an Andy Griffith episode!

[Tim Cuthbertson]

Yes, my mother said it all the time. She said it emphatically, too, like she was imitating someone she had heard say it back in her past.

[Lise]

Ha ha, I recall that phrase, but I knew it as what's your name...puddin tane (tane where I was from)...where do you live...down the lane...what's your number...cucumber...

On and on, can't remember the rest. Made me chuckle remembering:)

I wish I were in town and able to attend the presentation tonight, I would have loved to have been there!

[Ron Banks]

Great photo! I have heard Puddin Tane for as long as I can remember. Just who was this Puddin anyway?

Found this on the web: It is a play on the name of an Irish high chief who was known as the Tain with his specific name in front of it. The Puddin" Tain was someone of not royal status but someone who had pretentions and was deridded with the name high King of the Puddings. later it became a Children's rhyme of Scots-Irish origin.

What's your name?
Puddin' Tain.
Ask me again and I'll tell you the same.

[warren]

I heard that all the time as a kid and I still say it to irritate my kids!

[dolores barton]

That really sounds interesting. I don't get over there, but it would be interesting to read about their selected topic. Yes, I do remember that saying. My dad would use it to makes us laugh.