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I always hear an additional up also..."I saw the book up in under sister's bed"...
I hear it and say it all the time

Does anyone hear or use "overneath," which is pretty much the opposite of underneath?

How about"up-in-under yonder"?
that will make your head spin !!

I think I only use the extraneous in when I say, "back in behind the so-and -so," but there might be other times. I'll have to think about it.

Tipper,
When I read Mary Lou McKillup's story
about her dad being a Prankster, it
reminded me of my first job, working in a Machine Shop in Northwest Atlanta. I was training to be a Machinist when one of the older guys told me to go to the Crib (where they stored tools) and ask Pop for a Sky Hook. I waited for my turn at the little window and finally an old man about 90 came and ask me what I wanted.
Soon as I told him, he started cussin' me something awful, followed
me all the way back to where I worked
where all the guys was just a rollin'
with laughter. Needless to say, that
was some experience...Ken

Tipper,
I read your examples and I couldn't see nothing wrong with them...After reading the comments, I reread your examples agin...I guessin' I can see in what you are talkin' about!

What got me perplexed was that picture of the...what I thought might be a Wrens nest behind the wrench on what looked like a metal gutter piece! Then I realized that it was a "wrench" left in the gutter while working on the roof and pine needles piled up with it!...Stuff happens like that around here too!
Beautiful day out there today and the call of the 'jorees' are soundin' all over my neck of the woods!
Interesting post, thanks Tipper!

Tipper.
I enjoy all your posts so muchand the comments of others, but a storyteller like I have receive the titled of being a natural we do add and really get laughs.
Mountain people are have been laughed at and appreciated so much as well.
I do love this there hills and love the old ways of Mountains people. I crucify the English language sometimes.sometime through ignorant and some on purpose.

Maybe this is a country thing, a down-home thing, a plain folk thing - my family has used and still uses all of these "ins", "upinunders","outs", "round-abouts", "twixt", "crostwise", and such. I'm thinking it does somehow emphasize how far in, how deeply under, how far away, how tangled. . .whether just to clarify a point or for dramatic emphasis.

For what it's worth, my husband's family doesn't talk like this - .

Tipper.
It is funny to see these saying here in these Mountains.I saw the wrench and thought of such a funny story on my sister, People used to pull tricks on people. My Dad was one of the worst prankster around.One day He sent Memmy Jim was her nick name. He told her to go to the store and get him a left handed monkey wrench. Poor thing did and the men who sit in the back as we called the lair bench horse laughed her. She soon was aware Dad had pulled a trick on her.She had more more temper and boy did he catch it when she got back home.He said he had to put his handkerchief over his face to keep her from seeing him laugh.

Tipper,
I use the "ins" all the time when I'm
telling someone directions. But if
I'm writing, sometimes I will substitute
a synonym, just to keep from being so
wordy. (can't spell monotonous)

It always amazes me how you can think
of these words of our Appalachian
culture, and bring it to our attention.
Nice post...Ken

As I read this post I realized just how often I still do this!!! You're right, it does get our point across (acrost) :)

When I started reading today's grammar lesson, I immediately thought about the way Mammy used to add "in" to her sentences. I remember her telling me to go on and get in bed right in twix my sisters. She would tell us to put some apple butter in twix our biscuit if we wanted something sweet for breakfast.

Where I come from the bear would have been way back up in above Pap's house and the earring would have been way back upinunder the bed. As a matter of fact I was a way grown youngin before I realized upinunder was three words.
We used to go grabbling for catfish upinunder the rocks in the Little Tennessee.

PS: The reason we found the ear bob upinunder the bed was because we didn't have a TV to look inunder.

There you go, Tipper making me think again. I am so very familiar with that way of speaking, but I never thought about it. It seems that it went something like this...
He puts his shoes up anunder the bed. It is run together so much that it seems like a whole new made up word.
I have thought of our habit of describing everything in relation to where we live. We say she lives down in Tennessee or they live up in Beckley. Not sure if this is Appalachian or not, but it must be with all those extra ups and downs.

Maybe it's because I'd usually rather be out than in - at least in terms of physical position - but I'd say that "out" is used about as much as "in" for these sorts of things. In fact, "out" could've been used either as a replacement for "in" for a couple of these examples, or otherwise added.

Stringing together a pair of prepositions like "over in" is an example of speech in Appalachia which I don't recall hearing elsewhere.

I think I'd usually use "in" and seldom "out" when making a double preposition with either "up" or "down", such as:

- Hall's Holler Branch comes in from the right up in the middle of that tangle of laurel, just beyond that downed hemlock that you have to climb under.

- There's a pair of wheels and axle off of a narrow gauge rail car laying down in the creek a rock throw below the Forney Creek Cascades.

(Both of these statements are true, by the way; a link to a picture of the latter is below).

http://home.comcast.net/~doncasada/Pictures/Wheels.jpg

Knowing Tipper, I suspect she left out "out" when she was talking about "in" as a teaser for suckers like me.

Habits are hard to break, so as long as you know that it is a part of a specific type of locational speech, then that is just where you came from. I must listen more carefully to our friend's speech when they speak as I had never picked up on them using it. But I think you are right when you say it is for emphasis.

When I first started reading this one I thought, that is something I have never done, but as I read on I can see that I do it quite often. It is funny how after 5 generations away from NC in Florida my family still handed down this way of talking.

We add words to enhance our descriptive process. LOL!

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